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Mar 22, 2007


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I do like the major points in this book. Nice summary of this chapter and I second the amen.

Michael W. Kruse

IMO, chapter six could be a book in itself.


Thanks Dan.


I dont want to be churlish, but if this books is serious about the other six days, why are we still discussing the clergy at the end of the sixth chapter. They are fairly irrelevant in the modern world anyway. The debate about the role of the clergy is so old, it is getting boring. I think the Spirit has moved on.
I am looking for something that is relevant to real life.

Michael W. Kruse

Ron, the title of the chapter is "Beyond Clericalism." The chapter is about leadership, not clergy. The problem is that most of us have a hard time distinguishing what leadership would be if it doesn't look like what we have called "the clergy." The clergy/laity dualism overhangs every aspect of the Church in the world today, even in contexts where the lingo has been dropped. Images of the dualism are deeply embedded in Western visions of the Church, even for those who have not been raised in the environment. The tendency to default back into the dualism, without intentional effort to avoid doing so, is very powerful. Therefore, both deconstruction of “clergy” and reconstruction of leadership are needed.

You can not talk about the mission of Church without talking about the clergy. Without the clergy, there is no Church. Stevens, made the case early on that clergy (kleros) is a term that is descriptive of the whole laos of God in the New Testament. We are all God’s portion or inheritance. We are all set apart for mission. We are all the clergy.

“The debate about the role of the clergy is so old…” I couldn’t disagree more.

Nigel Bell

Hi, i am following these posts with interest, and when my copy of the book finally arrives from the USA (to Australia) I will put two and two together and not come up with 4.25.
Looking forward to backtracking and reading the posts all at once.
Nigel B.

Michael W. Kruse

Nigel, I don't think you will be disappointed in the book. But my posts? That is another matter.


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