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Mar 06, 2007


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Dana Ames


It seems Trinitarian theology is poised to make a comeback. The sooner the better.

Love the quote at the top!

Hope you to to Austin- you'll get to meet Scot, and Doug Pagitt.


Michael Kruse

I think Austin may be the only date I am not on the road. It would be fun to meet Scot. I have been with Doug on three other occasions.

Sam Carr

One very important reason for the dominance of clergy in the church is the illiteracy of the believer. Certainly this has roots even in the NT itself where those who do not know the gospel (in the broadest sense - the life, ministry, words, actions, of Jesus) are asked not to teach and are enjoined instead to learn in silence.

Even though the printing of the bible and the ability to read led to a partial change starting fom the Reformation, still today, in spite of the internet, the feeling of a knowledge gap (and the lack of formal training) continues to hold back a true sense of empowerment to ministry for the 'ordinary' Christian.

Michael Kruse

Thanks for these thoughts, Sam. Here is where I think we need to get back to theology done in community. Theology is not something someone does by going away to an academy for three years, banking up knowledge, and then goes out into the world to regurgitate it to mindless congregants.

The Bible is not always self-evident and can not be read as individual in isolation from a community of believers. There are cross-cultural and linguistic issues that have to be dealt with. There is also the experience of the saints who have come before us as they wrestled with the Word in their own day. We need people around who have been equipped to equip others in wrestling with the Word at this level. I think the problem is that we have reduced theology to ONLY this type of work.

The marketing executive, the doctor, the interior designer, the bricklayer, and the homemaker all know far more about their sphere of work than the pastor can hope to know. The primary locus of theology is each of these people being the Kingdom where they are and wrestling with Word in their context. They gather as a community to share their wisdom and bring their questions from their contexts as they engage the Word. The secondary locus of theology is the pastor who is part of the support system for the primary ministers.

There will always be novices and veterans. I am not sure that has necessarily led to the rise of clergy. I think clergy emerged more out of sacred/secular split that removed theology out of the hands of the community and delivered it into the hands of the academy elite.

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