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Mar 07, 2007


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Ruud Vermeij

In addition to that “guidance-mania” I would say that God's call (on the “personal vocation” level) is not a narrow call, but it is a wide call.
It is not about restriction ("God guide me so I would not choose wrong"), it is about possibilities ("God formed me this way, I can choose a fitting ministry").

Michael Kruse

Thanks Ruud. Stevens doesn't tackle this issue head on but I am in complete agreement with you. Most of the time there are many right choices.


I resonated with his comment, "Our lives are not a bundle of accidents." (p. 80) That's enough right there to make the whole point for me.

In fact, I'm senseing (maybe just me) a bit of "overselling" or overkill. Stevens keeps making some points over and over and over... And I'm already wanting to hear from him: "OK -- our current arrangement of clergy and laity both isn't biblical, and doesn't work too well... What next? What do we do about it? Is that coming? I'm already growing weary of footnotes.


Michael W. Kruse

I hear you RPS. I have some of the same issues.

On the other hand, people like you and me have been wrestling with these issues for years. Some of this is so painfully obvious you just want to yell, "Get on with it!" As I have tried to talk to others, for whom most of this is new, I find objections and concerns emerging that do not even occur to me as a problem. For instance, the very mention of no clergy/laity in many minds translates into no authority and leadership. This stuff is a MAJOR paradigm shift for many. It is not that they can't or won't make a shift. It is just so novel compared to anything they have personally encountered. I think that is the audience Stevens is addressing and thus the redundancy; the endless restatements about certain connections; giving the supporting evidence. That is my take.

He spent the first three chapters doing a lot of deconstruction. Starting with this chapter I think we begin to move toward vision.

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